Well even if he did nothing else, he sure rattled my cage. He gave me lots of things to think about. Even talked to Drollery about bits of it while we were listening. There were a lot of things to be concerned about, but his example of the bill that was that was being passed in Australia was disturbing to me for two reasons. A) People don’t seem to realize it could be talking about ANY even small, insignificant group of people, and B) that the burden of proof of innocence falls squarely on the shoulders of the victim. How much legislation has been passed in all countries where we actually have NO clue what is actually said because we don’t take the time to read the hundred or more pages that are the bill? That’s something that one day will no doubt come back to bite us in the butt.
I’m sure that wasn’t the most important topic he discussed, but it was one that hit close to home for me living in Utah where the state is run predominantly by the LDS church.
Whatever folks think of his video, the thing he wanted most, I felt, was for people to wake up and start thinking critically, to stop buying into the party line for anything and everything, be it government, religion, the school system, the media, whatever… If he managed to do that for anyone who watched it, then I’d say he made his point.
I appreciate your posting this, Plato. I know you don’t agree with everything he said, but there was enough there to consider to make it worth watching…
How many thousand pages is Obama care? There is no telling what is in that. The patriot act has turned everybody into a “terroist.”
Yes, I did think about the Patriot Act.
I’m not sure I like everything this guy is saying or the spin he is putting on it. Sounds a bit racist and anti-Semitic to me. I don’t trust his facts. I’ll have to listen to it in more depth when I get some time.
Hey brother. I’m not promoting him necessarily. I totally agree with his larger points in general about government the fictional self mind control on a large scale the ensuing slavery we live and our persinal responsibility to pay attention to the bigger picture seperate from the distractions the media would have us focus on. Personally I don’t believe anything is as it is presented by the powers that be. The purpose really was to say “what if” not to make him a guru. From listening to him I dint think he is trying to be a guru anyway.
Forgive me if I am missing the obvious – but what exactly is this post about? Is it ‘Heh this is how things truly are’ or ‘Heh this is way off?’ and ‘What if?’ means?
What if he’s on to something? What if what we’ve been programmed to think is wrong? As far as truly wrong or right about the details of his ideas I don’t know but I wholeheartedly support the idea of rediscovering the True natural flesh and blood self. I’m glad you stopped by.
Thanks for greater clarification. (1 THESSALONIANS 5:21 But test all things carefully [so you can recognize what is good]. Hold firmly to that which is good). In this case a big task. But thanks for sharing.
Throughout the new testament we are reminded that thus world’s system is run by the devil and is a slave system. He is fleshing that out a bit. The corporate church rarely does. But it has a deal wuth the government not to talk about certain things in exchange for not paying taxes. I agree with your suggestion and it should be applied to every source. Especially the corporate church who has had 2000 years to make a real difference but for the most part just teaches everyone the be nice and mind the government and don’t cause problems. Just wait and be good a jesus will come get you one day. But when I read the gospels jesus said follow me not sit and wait. Even paul who advised to respect authority was at some point unwilling to or they would not have killed him. This guy is not religious but I think he has some truth that goes beyond what the corporate church knows or teaches. I don’t think he’s a guru or necessarily believe everything he says but it makes some sense. All he is saying is that the world system is run by the devil and that we have been lied to and tricked and turned into slaves by our own free will. That we need to awaken from a fictional dead life and live as the creator intended. Sounds straight out of scripture to me. I so appreciate you being here
I guess we all speak according to what we have attained to, by Grace – and we must allow each other to find our way of service to the King.
Some want to serve God by sorting out the web of lies everywhere they find it, and we don’t have to look far. I am not motivated to engage myself in this – I try to concentrate on the next thing that comes to hand, realising I can’t effect the ‘big’ only as I effect the ‘small’.
This guys contribution is full of exposing (in his view) what is wrong, but I’m afraid he (unless I’m missing something?) has presented no solutions or course of action to take. Apart perhaps from the self-evident (though he doesn’t give advice) – ‘don’t be sucked in or follow whatever…’ (my words)
You wrote: ‘All he is saying is that the world system is run by the devil’
I don’t know of course, but would doubt this gentleman believes there is a devil (?). Unlike the devil who believes there is a God and trembles. In which case he (the guy on the video) has been spoiled already apart from any larger issues he raises. So ‘exposing’ all of these is not much use to him if he himself is not set free.
I agree though that truth is truth regardless of who says it. So where he hits the mark credit is due.
The truth of – already being in another kingdom is paramount in my life. So that means I am only passing through, but aware of how corrupt the kingdom of this world is, from ‘top to bottom’.
So no surprise to find that corruption everywhere.
Jesus didn’t get involved in politics, or many of the issues to do with the planet etc. but he did involve Himself with constant fellowship with His Father, and each day was occupied with people and what they needed.
I guess there will come a day when things will be forced upon us, in an extreme way. And in that hour it will be given us what to say, and do.
It’s easy to get mentally overwhelmed by the terrible mess around us in this world system. God help us to keep the vertical right. As the ultimate ‘sorting’ is yet to come, and is the only solution that will deal with every single thing.
When Christ’s disciples wanted to call fire down from heaven to consume the deceived Samaritans – they exposed themselves as being of another spirit – The Lord’s priority was pointing this out – not dealing with the rejecting Samaritans. We can stand with Christ in doctrine, but stand with the devil in (spirit) or attitude. (my words for a Watchman Nee quote.).
To meekly take whatever has been handed down by tradition in the church – I would agree with you is not the way to go. Being real is to be preferred to just being ‘nice’ – but being obnoxious is not the alternative – ‘what spirit are we of?’.
Nice talking to you.
Have a good day, continue to be that effective salt to the guys indoors.
Blessings on you and yours brother. I appreciate your comments. Just a couple points of clarification if you might be interested. A couple things about the video. He is not my guru and I am not promoting him as such but I have listened to several hours of his work and appreciate his take on things. He and I do not share the same language world and we would most likely not agree on everything. The guy does consider that there is a very real devil and that the world is run by people who believe and truly practice their beliefs. Not in just a metaphorical, mythical understanding but very real and imminent and tangible faith that manifests itself here in the material. Paul too spoke of this world’s system. His “answer” or suggestion for people is to “awaken” to whose they are. To refrain from handing over one’s obedience to a false system of authority or gods who are no gods. To acknowledge the Creator as the true God and follow the natural law we were intended to abide within. I would discuss some of this differently given my own experience and understanding but Other than some few points of contention I find that he and I overall are kindred in much.
My understanding about Jesus is that he did very much involved himself in politics and economics and religion. Not in the sense of attempting to fix or change the system but rather to demonstrate that it is a false authority and held the people in spiritual and physical bondage. It seems to me that he intentionally publically and very deliberately challenged the false power systems. When he engaged the lawyers and priests he was engaging in politics. They were the legal/religious system for the jewish people. And his confrontation of the “bankers” in the Temple was the last straw that brought him before the “god” of the day “State of Rome.” The Jewish leaders could not have operated unless they swore allegiance to the “State.” Caesar was functionally god on earth in that system whose deity was a Sun/light being. The Jews had to appeal to their god to deal with Jesus. They had sold out their faith and become a Synagogue of Satan. Jesus did not attempt to renovate or change or remake that system. It was/is an illusion and a false authority or god. He simply gave it no power over him, even unto death. I don’t think the situation is much different now.
I very much agree with you that we all must find our unique path to express the will of the Father in us and that we should not all be the same. My path is leading me along this way currently and am attempting to give expression to what I find along the way.
Blessings – Teal
Ah, Max. Quite the dissenter.
Glad you stopped by.
Thanks for clarifying that this gentleman believes in a real devil. I take your word for that, as I don’t even know the guy’s name.
Our views might shake together in agreement at some point after much exchange, but enough to let our statements stand as is. Take care. KR (…let God be true and everyman a liar…) Romans 3/4.
Well even if he did nothing else, he sure rattled my cage. He gave me lots of things to think about. Even talked to Drollery about bits of it while we were listening. There were a lot of things to be concerned about, but his example of the bill that was that was being passed in Australia was disturbing to me for two reasons. A) People don’t seem to realize it could be talking about ANY even small, insignificant group of people, and B) that the burden of proof of innocence falls squarely on the shoulders of the victim. How much legislation has been passed in all countries where we actually have NO clue what is actually said because we don’t take the time to read the hundred or more pages that are the bill? That’s something that one day will no doubt come back to bite us in the butt.
I’m sure that wasn’t the most important topic he discussed, but it was one that hit close to home for me living in Utah where the state is run predominantly by the LDS church.
Whatever folks think of his video, the thing he wanted most, I felt, was for people to wake up and start thinking critically, to stop buying into the party line for anything and everything, be it government, religion, the school system, the media, whatever… If he managed to do that for anyone who watched it, then I’d say he made his point.
I appreciate your posting this, Plato. I know you don’t agree with everything he said, but there was enough there to consider to make it worth watching…
How many thousand pages is Obama care? There is no telling what is in that. The patriot act has turned everybody into a “terroist.”
Yes, I did think about the Patriot Act.
I’m not sure I like everything this guy is saying or the spin he is putting on it. Sounds a bit racist and anti-Semitic to me. I don’t trust his facts. I’ll have to listen to it in more depth when I get some time.
Hey brother. I’m not promoting him necessarily. I totally agree with his larger points in general about government the fictional self mind control on a large scale the ensuing slavery we live and our persinal responsibility to pay attention to the bigger picture seperate from the distractions the media would have us focus on. Personally I don’t believe anything is as it is presented by the powers that be. The purpose really was to say “what if” not to make him a guru. From listening to him I dint think he is trying to be a guru anyway.
Forgive me if I am missing the obvious – but what exactly is this post about? Is it ‘Heh this is how things truly are’ or ‘Heh this is way off?’ and ‘What if?’ means?
What if he’s on to something? What if what we’ve been programmed to think is wrong? As far as truly wrong or right about the details of his ideas I don’t know but I wholeheartedly support the idea of rediscovering the True natural flesh and blood self. I’m glad you stopped by.
Thanks for greater clarification. (1 THESSALONIANS 5:21 But test all things carefully [so you can recognize what is good]. Hold firmly to that which is good). In this case a big task. But thanks for sharing.
Throughout the new testament we are reminded that thus world’s system is run by the devil and is a slave system. He is fleshing that out a bit. The corporate church rarely does. But it has a deal wuth the government not to talk about certain things in exchange for not paying taxes. I agree with your suggestion and it should be applied to every source. Especially the corporate church who has had 2000 years to make a real difference but for the most part just teaches everyone the be nice and mind the government and don’t cause problems. Just wait and be good a jesus will come get you one day. But when I read the gospels jesus said follow me not sit and wait. Even paul who advised to respect authority was at some point unwilling to or they would not have killed him. This guy is not religious but I think he has some truth that goes beyond what the corporate church knows or teaches. I don’t think he’s a guru or necessarily believe everything he says but it makes some sense. All he is saying is that the world system is run by the devil and that we have been lied to and tricked and turned into slaves by our own free will. That we need to awaken from a fictional dead life and live as the creator intended. Sounds straight out of scripture to me. I so appreciate you being here
I guess we all speak according to what we have attained to, by Grace – and we must allow each other to find our way of service to the King.
Some want to serve God by sorting out the web of lies everywhere they find it, and we don’t have to look far. I am not motivated to engage myself in this – I try to concentrate on the next thing that comes to hand, realising I can’t effect the ‘big’ only as I effect the ‘small’.
This guys contribution is full of exposing (in his view) what is wrong, but I’m afraid he (unless I’m missing something?) has presented no solutions or course of action to take. Apart perhaps from the self-evident (though he doesn’t give advice) – ‘don’t be sucked in or follow whatever…’ (my words)
You wrote: ‘All he is saying is that the world system is run by the devil’
I don’t know of course, but would doubt this gentleman believes there is a devil (?). Unlike the devil who believes there is a God and trembles. In which case he (the guy on the video) has been spoiled already apart from any larger issues he raises. So ‘exposing’ all of these is not much use to him if he himself is not set free.
I agree though that truth is truth regardless of who says it. So where he hits the mark credit is due.
The truth of – already being in another kingdom is paramount in my life. So that means I am only passing through, but aware of how corrupt the kingdom of this world is, from ‘top to bottom’.
So no surprise to find that corruption everywhere.
Jesus didn’t get involved in politics, or many of the issues to do with the planet etc. but he did involve Himself with constant fellowship with His Father, and each day was occupied with people and what they needed.
I guess there will come a day when things will be forced upon us, in an extreme way. And in that hour it will be given us what to say, and do.
It’s easy to get mentally overwhelmed by the terrible mess around us in this world system. God help us to keep the vertical right. As the ultimate ‘sorting’ is yet to come, and is the only solution that will deal with every single thing.
When Christ’s disciples wanted to call fire down from heaven to consume the deceived Samaritans – they exposed themselves as being of another spirit – The Lord’s priority was pointing this out – not dealing with the rejecting Samaritans. We can stand with Christ in doctrine, but stand with the devil in (spirit) or attitude. (my words for a Watchman Nee quote.).
To meekly take whatever has been handed down by tradition in the church – I would agree with you is not the way to go. Being real is to be preferred to just being ‘nice’ – but being obnoxious is not the alternative – ‘what spirit are we of?’.
Nice talking to you.
Have a good day, continue to be that effective salt to the guys indoors.
Blessings on you and yours brother. I appreciate your comments. Just a couple points of clarification if you might be interested. A couple things about the video. He is not my guru and I am not promoting him as such but I have listened to several hours of his work and appreciate his take on things. He and I do not share the same language world and we would most likely not agree on everything. The guy does consider that there is a very real devil and that the world is run by people who believe and truly practice their beliefs. Not in just a metaphorical, mythical understanding but very real and imminent and tangible faith that manifests itself here in the material. Paul too spoke of this world’s system. His “answer” or suggestion for people is to “awaken” to whose they are. To refrain from handing over one’s obedience to a false system of authority or gods who are no gods. To acknowledge the Creator as the true God and follow the natural law we were intended to abide within. I would discuss some of this differently given my own experience and understanding but Other than some few points of contention I find that he and I overall are kindred in much.
My understanding about Jesus is that he did very much involved himself in politics and economics and religion. Not in the sense of attempting to fix or change the system but rather to demonstrate that it is a false authority and held the people in spiritual and physical bondage. It seems to me that he intentionally publically and very deliberately challenged the false power systems. When he engaged the lawyers and priests he was engaging in politics. They were the legal/religious system for the jewish people. And his confrontation of the “bankers” in the Temple was the last straw that brought him before the “god” of the day “State of Rome.” The Jewish leaders could not have operated unless they swore allegiance to the “State.” Caesar was functionally god on earth in that system whose deity was a Sun/light being. The Jews had to appeal to their god to deal with Jesus. They had sold out their faith and become a Synagogue of Satan. Jesus did not attempt to renovate or change or remake that system. It was/is an illusion and a false authority or god. He simply gave it no power over him, even unto death. I don’t think the situation is much different now.
I very much agree with you that we all must find our unique path to express the will of the Father in us and that we should not all be the same. My path is leading me along this way currently and am attempting to give expression to what I find along the way.
Blessings – Teal
Ah, Max. Quite the dissenter.
Glad you stopped by.
Thanks for clarifying that this gentleman believes in a real devil. I take your word for that, as I don’t even know the guy’s name.
Our views might shake together in agreement at some point after much exchange, but enough to let our statements stand as is. Take care. KR (…let God be true and everyman a liar…) Romans 3/4.